From camping to community gardens, music to stretching out muscles and more…
Am beyond delighted to share this conversation with the magnificent Mattia Maurée of AuDHD Flourishing
I can’t believe I’ve gone from literally sobbing on my kitchen floor a few years ago (when I came across their podcast when I was going through my own late diagnosis. Listening to all the episodes, I felt like they were inside my head) to sharing their ideal and actual self-care.
Mattia shares their love of camping, awe-inspiring nature and more.
le grá (with love),
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CHAPTERS
00:00 Mattia on the restorative power of camping
04:03 Mattia created AuDHD Flourishing
07:45 Mattia’s ideal and actual self-care
11:07 Learning to listen to the body
14:05 Finding connection through nature and awe
18:08 Combining nature, movement and connection
19:21 The communities that help Mattia feel held
23:48 The power of group somatic work
25:10 Who Mattia would throw cardamom for
27:40 Sending love to a younger self
30:04 What Mattia needed to hear when they were younger
33:09 Grounding and listening to what you need
LINKS
If you enjoyed this, check out:
Episode 83: Community as self-care with Elizabeth Potts https://solestosoul.ie/2025/11/04/community-as-self-care-with-elizabeth-potts-episode-83-of-the-feel-better-every-day-podcast/
Episode 111: Survival for Sensitive Souls with Zeenat Ahmed-Peto
Episode 126: Trauma, AuDHD (autism and ADHD) and Your 9 Senses
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FULL TRANSCRIPT
I’m used to this extremely immersive and I also grew up going camping and I love camping. I try to go once a year. So I would say that’s kind of on that more ideal list because it’s obviously much more high effort.
But on the third or fourth day of camping, I just my whole I can feel the cortisol flushing out of my body. It’s like a full reset. It’s one of the only things that does that for me.
Welcome to episode 129 of Soles to Soul Care for Trauma and AuDHD. I’m so excited to share my interview with one of my all-time favourite podcast hosts, Mattia Mauree of AuDHD Flourishing.
I can’t believe I’ve gone from literally sobbing on my kitchen floor a few years ago when I came across their podcast when I was going through my own late diagnosis and feeling like they were inside my head and to sharing their ideal and actual self-care.
I hope that you’ll enjoy it as much as I enjoyed talking to them. And I hope that whatever you’re doing, wherever you are, you will take comfort and hope in life getting better. And there is talk about suicidal ideation and also a lot of hope.
And yes, enormous gratitude. Thank you for being here. And I hope you enjoy this episode.
I hope that you take extra special care of yourself today and always. There are new episodes of Soles to Soul Care for Trauma and AuDHD out every Tuesday. You can subscribe or follow YouTube, Spotify, Apple, wherever you get your podcasts.
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Mattia is talking about awe helping them get into that state with nature as part of the episode later. But also increasingly, you want to acknowledge the Hiss, the sympathetic survival. Just recognising not dwelling on it, but recognising what has you activated and what might you do to support yourself through those things.
And then the dorsal vagal. Freeze. What might have you numbing? What might have you overwhelmed? What might you have you feeling? Hopeless, despairing and cheerful, aren’t I? But I think it is important to own all of it. And journaling is just one way in which you can do it.
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I’ve got hundreds of body-mind practices. I hope you enjoy the episode and thanks again for being here. So welcome, welcome, welcome, Mattia Mauree.
So delighted to have you on Soles to Soul Care for Trauma and AuDHD.
Yeah, thank you. Happy to be here.
I came across you when I began to realise about my autism, as well as the ADHD and came across the term AuDHD and your beautiful podcast. I remember actually being on the floor in the kitchen, sobbing, feeling so seen. I devoured so many episodes, I think all the episodes at the time.
It was just so, so helpful. I so appreciate what you’ve been putting out into the world. I just want to say thank you and ask you to let people know where they can find you and how you got into it.
AuDHD Flourishing is the name of the website, and obviously flourishing.com and the podcast. So that’s autism, ADHD combined, as you mentioned. It was interesting, I actually started that I had a podcast previously, that was just for people with basically multiple marginalised identities.
I interviewed a really wide variety of people, but it was basically like, hey, this isn’t just about, you know, one or two things. This is what if you have six different things interlocking, you know, that make life harder. And when I was, I was actually looking for AuDHD podcasts.
At the time, when I started this three and a half years ago or so, there were only two podcasts with AuDHD in the title at that time. They weren’t really what I was looking for personally. They were very like, this is what the technical definition is like, not a lot of, I was like, no, I’m looking for like, day to day practical, how do I do this? I wasn’t finding that.
So I was like, well, you know, I’m already podcasting, I’ll just start a second podcast. And I literally, I get more listeners per week of that than I ever had total of the first podcast of all time that I did, like a year and a half. So yeah, it really, I think, because it was relatively early in that space.
Then also just my focus on, like I said, the practical day to day, it’s, it’s very pragmatic. It’s very like, here’s how a meltdown feels for me and here’s what causes them.
And, you know, here’s how you find what your sensory needs are. And it’s, yeah, I think that practical stuff is really important to me, because I know that sometimes I needed really specific, I don’t even want to say advice, necessarily like ideas.
As opposed to taking something that’s not really built for my brain and trying to like, translate it into my experience. I can do that on a good day. But I can’t do it if I’m super stressed out and headed for a meltdown, like that’s not the time to be figuring out the tools.
It’s one of my all-time favourite podcasts. It’s just gorgeous. So there’ll be links, obviously, in the show notes.
If you’re happy to take a breath, as in we’re breathing the whole time, but listeners as well, you might want to ground if you’re not driving and just notice what’s happening with your breath. Naturally. Just remember, we’re all connected.
Send yourself some of that compassion that AuDHD Flourishing is so gorgeous. I cannot describe how gorgeous a listen it is, it goes straight to the heart. I’m really conscious this conscious breath is something I’ve introduced just in the past few weeks adopted from Anita Rani’s Sisters of Defiance podcast and I love it.
Yoga therapists as well do a lot of breath work. But when you’re doing a podcast, it’s kind of like, also want to talk because I don’t want people to think that their recording has died or whatever. But as I mentioned, I ask about your ideal and your actual self-care and helping listeners to recognise there’s always something you can do.
Especially with AuDHD, the different bandwidth and so like the FEEL. bit is for when we might have the bandwidth. This morning, I made it up for a really early pool swim because I knew I had a long day of sessions and that I’d really feel much better for another day, the compassionate thing would have been to have slept in a bit. But when you think about your ideal self-care and your actual in that kind of frame, what would you like to be doing? What would you love to be doing? If money, time, energy, no obstacle? What is your essential?
I love this because when you first sent me the list of questions, when I first read this one, I was like, Oh, I have like a third category, which is like my perfectionist ideal.
The things that I feel like if I did those things, my life would be way better, like going to sleep and waking up at the same time, which I’ve heard is important. My body’s just never, ever, ever, that’s not what my body does. So that’s one that I’m like, Oh, yeah, in an ideal but sort of perfectionist version of this, I would be doing that. I would probably be eating, you know, the correct amount of fibre, figuring out what that even means.
All kinds of things in my brain is like, Oh, yeah, if you just did this list of things, everything would be great. But my actual like what actually works for me, when I’ve only ever been able to actually get a massage once a week, when it was paid for by insurance after a car accident, which was a car accident sucks. But the massage a week was awesome.
I’ve never done that outside of that context. But that’s probably something I would do because I find that it, it meets a lot of different needs I have even including some just like touch and intense enemies with in just I don’t know, like a really specific environment. I know not everybody loves massages.
But that’s that’s one that really works for me and just helps my body stay in a better, better working shape. Another big one for me is and actually goes along with that, which is passive stretching and restorative yoga type practices. I can’t do a lot of super active stretching because I have the hypermobility stuff.
I have to make sure I’m stretching in an active range of motion with my muscles still engaged. So doing stuff that’s a little bit more of an active practice. But then if I do the restorative yoga type things where I’m laying on a ball or you know, laying on something that really relaxes that area.
That works really, really well for me. Well being something I can actually access at home. I will say when I was doing that every day, I felt awesome.
Again, that’s like the perfectionist like, yeah, I just did this every day. But yeah, I would say that’s that’s another big one. And yeah, those are those are kind of, those are a lot of what comes to mind is like when I can keep my body happy in a general sense of like sunlight movement, eating OK, which is actually pretty easy because my partner does most of the cooking and we both love vegetables.
So we actually do eat pretty well. But those are a lot of things. That’s maybe the ideal, then actually day to day, what’s normally happening is I noticed my body is uncomfortable.
So I stop and do some kind of like floor timer, stretching, or, you know, I’m getting better at noticing discomfort, which is really interesting, because I used to have very low body awareness. Then when I started getting more, I was like, Oh, there’s a lot of bad signals that I do not like discomfort and pain. Yeah.
That’s something that I was like, Oh, it’s because I’m sometimes, you know, getting stuck in an attention tunnel and not moving for two hours. No part of my body likes that. I think on a more realistic day, when I maybe am dedicating, let’s say 15 minutes to self-care, it’s going to look like washing my face, brushing my teeth, which is, you know, kind of basic hygiene things, but they feel good to me.
Getting outside. That’s another one, I need sunlight on my face for 15 minutes a day. If I do not do that, I’m grumpy. Like I just literally get grumpy.
Where are you based?
I’m in Philadelphia now, but I grew up in Seattle.
I’m thinking I’m in the west of Ireland.
We’ve got a little bit of sun today, which is amazing. But Philadelphia and Seattle aren’t known for their sunshine either, are they?
It’s quite wet. Really, really, it rains a lot, but it rains harder.
Seattle is more that grey overcast more. But even so, I mean, even with cloud cover, I’m still getting infrared light and UV and stuff. Like it’s still doing something for my body.
Oh, absolutely. Yeah. Just being out in nature.
I did nature in general.
So that is something you can access pretty much every day.
I can walk outside. Yeah, I do.
Even though I work at home, I usually make sure I get outside. I actually just made a list today of easy places to go to do a specific thing. Because sometimes I’m like, Oh, I want to go for a walk.
But I don’t really have anything to do. I don’t have an errand to run. Some of these things are like, you know, go look at the little free library or something.
It’s like there’s the give me a specific activity to do. And actually, I should probably say I rely on lists very heavily for self-care.
Because again, when I’m not in a great space, I’m tired if I’m overwhelmed, which is often when I realise Oh, I need a break is because I’m already starting to feel that stress level rising. So for me a list is like, OK, these are the things that work for me.
Or even like having items out, you know, that I can visibly see like I’ve got right next to my chair here. I’ve got a foot roller thing. Actually stepped on it accidentally yesterday.
And I was like, Oh, yeah. But like in a good way. I just like, yeah, yeah.
It’s so important to have them as inviting invitations rather than Oh, I still haven’t done the thing.
Exactly.
So moving to the LOVE. part of the framework, that kind of acceptance that supports that remembering that you’re perfect, just the way you are. There’s no need to change a thing. Also recognising that when we accept ourselves, it’s easier to make changes anyway, it’s easier to move towards what we want in any area.
Remembering you’re part of nature, part of the divine, what helps you feel like that. I talk about bandwidth. I also have to clarify, this is the bit I struggle with more than even after all these decades than the FEEL. bit where it’s a more active go for a swim, do some yoga. But what helps you connect with that? You’re completely worthy, completely lovable and in an ideal world and the essential when you’re not feeling it.
Nature in general, I would say is probably the top one and kind of related to that experiencing the feeling of awe. So like this morning, we’ve got kind of a little jungle of plants right out front the house. I saw a type of butterfly I’d never seen before in there.
First of all, I was excited that it’s attracting butterflies because I live in a very urban area. Then also just I was like, so excited that I hadn’t seen this butterfly before. So that feeling of it’s expansive.
I love curiosity as well as a feeling kind of related to that. I know I’m just mentioning feeling states but I find I can get myself into certain feeling states by exposing myself or paying attention to certain things. Being in nature is usually one of those things.
Having grown up on the West Coast here, I will say the scent of pine forests in particular. I know that that’s just like good for humans in general, but that soothes me so deeply. So that’s a little harder for me to access here.
I will say that’s more on the ideal list at this point because I have to go somewhere. Same for the ocean. It’s like I can go a couple hours to the ocean and find it here but it’s not right there.
I grew up with those in mountains. That’s another thing too. I think growing up with just incredible, majestic beauty everywhere, I have a pretty high bar.
I’m used to this extremely immersive. I also grew up going camping and I love camping. I try to go once a year.
So I would say that’s kind of on that more ideal list because it’s obviously much more high effort. But after the third or fourth day of camping, I can feel the cortisol flushing out of my body. It’s like a full reset.
And it’s one of the only things that does that for me. Wonderful. And I’m thinking like awe is one of those feelings that creates DHEA, that natural performance enhancer.
It’s not just nice to feel, it’s reducing cortisol for a few hours because we can’t produce cortisol at the same time we’re producing DHEA. I live now on the West Coast of Ireland. So you’ve got the Reek and Croagh Patrick Mountain, not probably as majestic as you’re used to, but amazing.
It’s like swimming in the sea looking up. It’s just that it feels great but it also makes me happy to know it’s helping physiologically as well. Like just having that.
It’s that insignificance as well, isn’t it? Like we’re tiny. We’re part of something so much bigger. Yeah, it’s amazing.
What helps you? This is slightly like it’s still related, but when you say about the having grown up and that, oh, well, that was so majestic. What helps you get out into less majestic nature where you are now? So here there’s definitely, you know, there’s like wooded areas I can find.
There’s gardens. I’m a member of a community garden. So that’s like the easiest, closest thing.
I probably should have listed that in the self-care because during the entire season, I’m going there almost every day. So I’m getting a nice little dose of nature and literally getting my fingers in dirt a lot of the time. So that I think does something for my brain beyond just being outside.
I think that direct connection. I also like doing social things in nature. I’ve been cycling more.
My partner is a cyclist much more seriously than me. I’m just trying to keep up with a quarter of what they can do. But yeah, that’s been really lovely.
Sometimes we’ve gone with friends, you know, groups of friends same for camping. So yeah, getting to move in nature with people, that brings so many things together. I will say on the practical day to day, what can actually get in here and or even in the course of a week, if that’s what I’m thinking about it.
I’m sometimes thinking in terms of efficiency like that. It’s not my favourite way of thinking because I’m not trying to maximise productivity or work every minute. It’s more like, OK, this is going to take some effort.
I have to go somewhere to access this type of nature. So it may as well be with friends and it may as well be including movement and bringing in these other elements so that I can get more use out of it.
Yeah. Brilliant. And I also really like that reframe of it’s not about maximum maximising productivity, it’s managing energy, which is so important.
You’ve already alluded to it but in terms of the HEAL. part, that co-regulation, the collective care, the community care, what are the communities that you feel most held by in an ideal world and essential and also you hold that amazing community with the AuDHD Flourishing in both regards, what is your ideal and actual and it might be the ideal is made up. So the world we’re living in at the moment.
The most direct co-regulation I get is from my nesting partner, which makes sense because we have the most default time together. We’ve been together for nine years and I’ve really had to learn how to ask for what I need really specifically.
Cause like my touch needs vary wildly. Like I had a day last week where all touch just felt like needles. Like it was so uncomfortable.
I was like, every touch feels bad. Do not want to be touched at all. And sometimes I want, you know, hours of back rub.
It really, really varies. I can’t assume that my partner’s going to be able to tell what I like. So yeah, that’s been a really interesting one and good training and being extremely clear and specific and like, no, no, thank you.
Not that just, you know, maybe that’s another thing. In terms of broader community, I’m in some virtual communities. One of the more supportive, just broad spaces I found has been other writers.
Cause I’m also a writer and I’m a composer. I know a lot of musicians and I’ve known a lot of musicians forever but the more I’ve gotten into the writing world, the more I found, this is just like my particular kind of nerd, at least in the spaces I found in the teachers I’ve sought out. So that’s been really cool.
I’m in a couple of gifted spaces that have been one in particular has been really supportive for me. And I think gave me a kind of mirroring that I wasn’t getting anywhere else. It’s funny cause we don’t necessarily go in and say the most erudite thing we can think of.
Sometimes it’s more just, oh, I can say this and you will understand all the implications. Like I don’t have to spell out every aspect of my thought. That’s been really lovely in the last couple of years.
As far as an ideal, I mean, again, there’s probably some perfectionist ideal that’s like, there would be no conflict and I’m still there. I’m 50. I still believe in that world somehow.
All of my needs would just be magically met without me having to say anything. I would be the centre of the universe and everyone would just meet my needs without me having to communicate. That would be great.
That’s a very baby desire. We mentioned the self energy before. I actually do parts work and IFS work personally.
I was neglected as a child. So I actually do have these really intense, really young feelings from like early neglect where, you know, my body is reacting to something and that makes socialising really challenging and building community really challenging. On a personal level, obviously I’ve done a lot of therapy.
I’ve done a lot of personal work to be OK with this stuff. At the same time, when a new conflict comes up or, you know, I find out that someone doesn’t like me, which happened last week, that just like somebody in our social circle, just like, doesn’t like me. I’m like, OK, I don’t know what to do with that information in this environment.
Ultimately I think the best I can do is just show up as authentically as I feel I can in that day. Another kind of energy math, I think is figuring out how much of myself do I want to put in to this? I have really lovely supportive long-term friendships as well that I think of not necessarily in a single community, but just people who have really been with me for a really long time and have seen me come through a lot, which is another cool thing. Cause it’s like, oh, right.
I change a lot and I am very different. Some of my best qualities have been consistent for my whole life. That’s why these people like me and want to be friends with me.
Wonderful. What would you say your essential, like if you could only have, oh God, I always feel so evil saying if you could only have the one thing in the kind of community collective heal self-care. It would probably be some kind of group somatic work.
If I can only pick one thing, I feel like that really kind of in terms of that, like multi-purpose it’s like, OK, we’re putting my brain into an even more neuroplastic state than usual. I’m getting those early needs met. I’m a big auto psychotherapy fan.
I’m usually working on something. Sometimes I take little breaks, but for the most part, I’m kind of like figuring something out in my internal experience at most times. That kind of would meet a lot of those things.
At the same time, that’s a very intense bar. I wouldn’t want to do that. Yeah.
You know, even every week, I’d probably want to do that three times a year. So yeah, it’s hard to say for the big intense things that meet those intensity needs versus the more like chill day to day support. But even what you’re saying about the sensory needs varying wildly, I think it would be so helpful for people to hear that and to be OK with that in themselves, because again, the inconsistency that we experience, but it goes against what we’ve been told we should be.
I’m going to ask you the cardamom pod question, trying to phrase it articulately and you’re the second person to be asked it, but very much inspired by Meggan Watterson, the feminist theologian. She’s written a lot about Mary Magdalene and about how Christianity originally was one of love and equality and justice for all. Then when the Roman Empire co-opted it in the fourth century, women, for example, got eradicated and Mary Magdalene, her gospel was taken out, others as well, more progressive love kind of, Thecla was being persecuted and she baptised herself and the women in the arena where she had been kind of sentenced to death.
I’m so cheerful, aren’t I? They all apparently rose as one and threw rose petals and cardamom pods into the arena and it wasn’t the lion’s fault, but they had been ready to attack and they were kind of lulled into this peaceful stupor. I just think the times we’re living in are so challenging for so many people. You talked about marginalised identities and I think there are so many amazing people doing so much phenomenal work.
I also know it can be scary. It can be isolated. It can be lonely.
Who would you love to throw some cardamom for? Somebody whose work has really impacted me who actually I also met through my podcast because they reached out to be a guest on the podcast. Their name is TQ letters T and Q and they were on episode 114 of AuDHD Flourishing. The title is Queer! AuDHD! BIPOC!
Also the title of a book that they’re working on and they’re at rewilding.cc. I’ve been very impacted by their work about specifically ancestral work and reconnecting to nature as a disabled person. As a disabled person who sometimes can’t walk well, or, you know, can’t get out of the house for whatever reason, you know, how can I still feel connected to nature in these small accessible ways and really the accessibility being just absolutely woven in throughout all of their work. That’s the person I thought of when I read that question.
There’ll be a link in the show notes, but thank you so much. I’d also love to ask, it might be a younger version of yourself at any point earlier adulthood as a child, but what stage, what age, where would you like to send some love, wisdom, cardamom, whatever to a younger version of yourself?
I’m thinking of myself, especially in my late teens, I had pretty significant clinical depression from my mid teens when I started having worst chronic pain stuff, through probably when I was about 26 or so, so a solid number of years where it was improving over that time, but I had some real significant bouts of suicidal ideation.
The version of me I’m thinking of is like throughout those years, that version of me that survived and that wanted to survive. I am so proud of that part of myself for making it and it made everything else possible. That version of me, had I at that time imagined what an ideal life might look like for me, it would not have been as good as the life I have now.
I couldn’t even, I was too depressed to even imagine what my life has become. So I think that’s a version of myself that I have a huge amount of compassion for. Yeah.
Wonderful. I think with the impulsivity I used to, I tried when I was 14, but I remember wanting to be dead from like early childhood until my early twenties.
When I got the ADHD diagnosis at 48, a few years ago, it was like, that was the first time I realised I was impulsive. I think that’s what’s always scared me about suicidal ideation. Like as a therapist, I do risk assessment with my clients.
It’s different, but I think knowing from within yourself, like knowing I was glad that it didn’t work. I was glad I knew before I learned about mindfulness, things change, things do get better.
What do you wish younger you had had? What do you wish they’d had more of in that time? What would have been helpful for you at that time from the people around you, whether they knew you were going through it or not?
It’s a really good question because as I think about it, I wasn’t getting most of what I needed.
I had people who were trying to be there for me and that was, I mean, at the early phase of that, it was before I had really even learned how bad my childhood was, if that makes sense. Like I’d done a little bit of therapy, but it wasn’t until I had a therapist who I said something to who was like, Oh no, like, oh, oh gosh, nothing you are saying is good at all. So until I started processing that more systemic, I think before that I just felt like I was broken personally, that I was defective and there was something wrong with me that was like unfixable or unsolvable in some way.
I think the thing that probably would have been the most helpful was somebody like me just saying like, hey, they’re actually, first of all, you’re not broken. This is what you’re experiencing is normal. And you know, there are resources and things do get better, but like in a specific way, right.
It’s not helpful for somebody who’s like rich to be able to say to me, you know, a person who grew up in poverty, like life can be awesome. I’m like, yeah.
Thanks. That’s very helpful. So I think I needed somebody whose experience felt similar to mine enough to be able to go, oh, OK.
This is actually possible. This is, you know, maybe difficult, but doable. I think that sense of what was possible was just not present.
Nobody was modelling to me because honestly, for a while, I didn’t know anybody who’d had a worse childhood than me. So I would kind of start talking to friends about it and they’d be like, oh my God. So, you know, I think that part of it too is just processing the huge amount of processing of like, OK, I had a very bad experience or set of experiences that led to a perfectly understandable set of mental health symptoms.
Absolutely. Like this makes sense to this and there’s places you can go from there. Once I started meeting, actually it was, it was partly meeting more queer, trans and disabled people with, again, those like multiple identities where it’s like, OK, you actually, like we’ve struggled mightily.
A huge part of it for me actually was that community and having more reflections from more people of just like living with difficulty, not even necessarily fixing it. If it’s, you know, actually unfixable, like with a lot of disability, it’s just learning to live with it. Yeah.
Thank you so, so much. An absolute pleasure sending so much love and gratitude and really appreciate you being here. Can you say again, where people can find you online, just in case they’re listening in the car or something? AuDHD Flourishing.
I’m not going to try to spell that. I’m not a good speller. Perfect. Thanks a million.
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